Nattering Naybob: I think even you, Red Ranger, have to admit that President Obama won the debate last night, by most objective benchmarks by which we evaluate modern Presidential debates. Whether it changed many minds either way at this late stage, who knows. Romney acquitted himself fairly well, but his demeanor was a little more surly and skittish than the first debate, and he came out with some head-scratching comments and verbiage. Two key moments from my perspective:
When Romney was describing how he sought to include more women in the interview process for his Cabinet in Massachusetts, he characterized the collection of resumes from qualified female candidates as having compiled “whole binders full of women”. This surely had to be one of the most unusual bits of imagery ever put forth in a Presidential debate. Romney also described one of the chief ways that he tried to be more inclusive of women in his administration by allowing them to leave early so they could get home and prepare dinner for the family. A noble gesture to be sure, but not exactly one that will help undecided women determine who better understands women’s struggles to be taken as seriously as men, in the workplace. An article in today’s online edition of The New Yorker summarizes Romney’s entire struggle with the original question posed to him of equal pay for equal work.
The second key moment was near the end of the debate when Romney foolishly insisted that President Obama never specifically called the Benghazi attack, and act of terrorism. Obama coolly let Romney tie a knot sufficient to hang himself and then allowed moderator Candy Crowley to point out, if somewhat sheepishly, that President did explicitly condemn the attacks in the opening remarks in his Rose Garden speech the day after the incident. I am not sure why Romney focused so much on this relatively semantical point when he might have benefited more by bringing the conversation more to overall question of how this was allowed to happen.
These two moments seemed to represent the demarcation of three distinct “sections” of the debate. From its opening thru the “binders full of women” comment, Romney seemed assured and confident. Between the “binders” remark, and the “did he call it terrorism” remark, Romney’s tone sounded a little more defensive and nervous. After the “terrorism” remark, Romney seemed like he couldn’t wait for the debate to end, which for his sake, did soon after. Your thoughts, Red Ranger?
PS: After the debate, most major news outlets featured at least one interview with an undecided voter who still said they needed more information and to learn more about each candidate, to make up their mind. Incredible.
The Red Ranger: I would rate the debate a draw. Both sides were able to get their points across. I think some fisticuffs when they got in each other’s face would have livened things up significantly. Candy Crowley could have then stepped in and smacked down both of them. The only reason that people are saying Obama won is because he looked so much better than he did in the first debate. I think people are getting confused as they are comparing Obama to himself in the first debate as opposed to Romney.
In regard to the terrorist attacks in Benghazi Obama did not specifically call the Benghazi attacks a terrorist attack immediately. He said something condemning acts of terror in general. Even many days after the attacks he was still blaming them on the video and not terrorist. If he did call them terrorist attacks in the Rose Garden then why did he not continue to do so. I believe that this is just a clever way for Obama’s team to try to wordsmith their way into convincing people that Obama called them terrorist attacks from the beginning. Why wasn’t this argument pointed out immediately when questions arose about what the president had called the attacks. After several weeks his team has had enough time to review all of his comments and then twist them around to make it sound like he said something that he didn’t actually say. I believe that the moderator was out of line here (as was also pointed out by media outlets).
I believe that Romney’s high point was when he laid out the litany of facts (higher prices, slowing GDP, etc.) about the economy during Obama’s term and how his policies are impacting the economy.
What is up with Michelle Obama leading applause during the debate? This is clearly a rules violation. She should be banned from the next debate and hit with a $25,000 fine.
Nattering Naybob: The Red Ranger rating the debate a “draw” is akin to your saying that Romney got creamed.
Why would Obama have opened his remarks on Benghazi with a reference to terrorist attacks, if he did not think it was a terrorist attack? And theoretically speaking, an attack on a consulate or anything else, could be BOTH a reaction to a YouTube video AND an act of terrorism. I really don’t know why everyone is so hung up on the semantics of the issue, but since Romney insisted Obama did not do something he did, then Obama might as well go ahead and reinforce the fact that Romney doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Obama’s uttering the phrase “terrorism” or “terrorist” in the opening remarks of his speech the day after the attack, should have precluded the Romney campaign from even suggesting that Obama did NOT say it was a terrorist attack. Whoever is doing the research for his campaign is asleep at the switch. But then again, Romney himself has said that his campaign is not concerned with fact checkers. His entire campaign has been one big continuous series of lies and flip-flops. Romney lies almost as much as Curtis Granderson strikes out in the playoffs.
And what are you talking about regarding Michelle Obama “leading” applause? There were only two very brief, fragmented bursts of applause that I can remember during the actual debate. What kind of evidence do you have that she was “leading” applause? Please forward it to the Committee for Presidential Debates, I’m sure they will be very eager and fine the First Lady your prescribed amount of $25,000.
The next and final debate on this coming Monday is about foreign policy. Given Mitt the Binder’s utter cluelessness about how diplomacy works, he should be very frightened by that prospect.
The Red Ranger: Here is the official list of debate violations currently under review by the Committee for Presidential Debates and video proof of Michelle’s clapping.
Nattering Naybob: Thank you for the links. Below is a quote from a well-known evening anchor on a cable news network that speaks to the charge that Michelle Obama applauded during the debate:
“Have you seen the articles? The First Lady got caught clapping? Oh my… is that REALLY an issue with some? Whether the First Lady broke a debate rule by spontaneously clapping one time?… If the nation is arguing about whether the First Lady spontaneously clapped, we have now gone off the deep end.”
Rachel Maddow, you guess? No. The above was from Greta van Susteren, of Fox News. However I must say that I am encouraged that you are looking at Slate.com these days.